BONUS – Paul Traver – Missionary Pastor Shares How His Church Is Assisting Evacuees From Afghanistan

Hi everybody. It's Hollis Moore, your founderof the, oh my God is awesome. Monthly membership. And with me is one ofour monthly contributors. Paul Traver, and Paul is coming tous from Kaiser sloped in Germany. And so we are right at thepoint in history where. Within the last week, two weeks, theTaliban has kind of infiltrated lots of cities and Afghanistan, and Paul cankind of share what he's experiencing as being the largest in a town that has thelargest military population of Americans.And what they're doing tosupport the refugee efforts. So while this is a little bit of adeviation from our membership, I know that God is going to be revealinghimself through our conversation. But Paul today it's August 24th, 2021. And can you tell us a little bit aboutwhat's happening on the base there and with your particular ministry? Yeah, thank you, Hollis. And welcome everybody.It's good to be with you. Yeah, basically when Kaboul wassurrounded and overtaken they had to start doing the evacuations for allof the Afghan nationals who had been helping with the military as wellas internationals who were there. In Kabul. And so they evacuated him hereto Ramstein air force base. It's been kind of crazy thislast week, since about Thursday of last week to this point. Pretty crazy with planes coming in andout and refugee now they're not refugees. We're classifying themas evacuees right now. But as evacuees they'rebeing brought here. And then they're able to be cared formedically making sure they're taken care of as far as getting all theirpaperwork taken care of and stuff. So they're, they're processing them. Sadly, my wife and I have not had accessto them because it's it's kind of a club.Action right now because they wantto limit as many people that are not in the active duty military. They want to limit as manypeople as getting in there. And, and, and I say that only becausethey're what they don't want to do is they don't want to cross the religiousthe religious boundaries because, you know, you have the you're Muslim andyou have your Christians, if you will. If you're an overzealous Christian, youcould be there for the wrong reason, even though the gospel is important,we all know everyone needs to hear the gospel, but we also know that every timeJesus sat down with someone, he didn't necessarily go straight to the gospel. He was the light. He met them where they were. He loved them. He earned the right tospeak into their life.And so this is, this was a, thisis an important balance for us. I said all that to say this,that, that they've limited how many can actually be on base. So we weren't able to actuallybe there, but our people are. And so we have a church herein Kaiserslautern, Germany. It's been here for over 50 years. We've been the pastors for four years. And so we have military that arein our church family that are now being called to meet this need.And, and, and they're workinganywhere from 10 to 16 hours a day to meet this need. And they've shifted everybody. Some of them are used to working, youknow, nine hour, eight hour shift during the day are now working night shifts. So they're from, you know, from9:00 PM to 6:00 AM or what have you. So they're, they're, they'regetting stretched out pretty tight. So, and, and what are themembers of your church who are active duty serving on the base? What type of things arethey doing with the. Oh, yeah, that's good. That's good. Yeah, that's good. We, we have, we have some in ourchurch that are logistics, some that are medical some that are officers. And so I don't quite know what they'redoing on the, on the small details. I just know over overallthey're working in those fields. So the medical side would be youknow, some of the folks have come and especially the women fighting.Onto the plane may have been elbowed or,or punched or whipped or what have you, and not by the, those with them, but,you know, with the Taliban, as they're trying to work through barricades andstuff, and then just the crowd in general. And so when they're getting here,you know, they're, they're bruised and beaten and, and of course, thenyou're talking about emotionally upset. So. All of that being said, the medical sideis making sure that they're there, they're taking care of their, their there's nobroken bones or any, any lacerations that are open, you know, things like that. And then of course the logisticsside getting all the, I think I read today that there are over 400 400. Portable toilets. Now I know that's not somethingwe probably want to talk about on a podcast, but 400 portabletoilets for, oh, what was it? 7,000 people, something like that.Three to four times a day, thesetoilets are having to be serviced. So we're talking emptyrestocked and four times a day. That is a lot of toilet use. And so that's one side of the logistics,but then you have the food side and I saw a stat here just recently, butwe're talking thousands of meals. Every single day. So you figure five, six, 7,000, 7,000people, times three meals a day. That's 21,000 meals every single day. So there's lots happening on the basewhere, you know, they're just trying to get caught, set up to have tentsset up, make sure everybody's sleeping, make sure, you know, And then on topof that, you have these folks that are coming from the middle of the desert. I'm used to a different climateand they come here and it's cooler. We're on the 30th, we'reabove the 39th parallel. So w you know, it's, I'm wearinga hoodie and we're in August.So yeah, it's so it's adifferent, different mindset. Wow. There's so much to unpack there. I know before we started recording,you had a couple anecdotes to medical, there were some birthson the actual evacuated airplanes. Can you just share that story with us? The, the one story just brokerecently, but when we got it, it hadn't come out public. Right. And it was about oneparticular young lady. I, and again, I don't know who she was. I don't know how old she was,doesn't matter, but she was on the plane and mid-flight shebegan, she went into labor pains. And so I, I don't know ifthe baby was premature. I don't think so. But you can imagine thestress and strain of getting. On the flight, all the emotions, all thatwas going on and that lent to this birth.And so it was really cool. This story tells it that the pilotactually descended to below 12,500 feet. So. The child and the mother could,could be in an oxygen rich environment, I guess, if you will. And so it all turned out well, theylanded, mom and the baby were taken to the hospital and the hostel. Is a, is a, an American military hospital. So they're taken to thehospital, they're checked out. They're made sure that they're good. And, and so the reports we'vegotten everything turned out well, but that was just one. And, and I've heard that there were acouple more but that was one in person. Wow. That's, that's wildhaving given birth twice. It's a very crazy experience, but begiving birth in an airplane as you're evacuating your home countries as wild.And then one of the things talkingabout logistics you've received tons of donations and a lot ofthat has been clothing and shoes. And tell us a little bit about whatthat distribution has been like. That has been nuts. Of course the call went out for help andit, and, and only because everybody was caught off guard with this whole thing. And so the, the Ramstein communityparticularly the air force base just sent out the callfor everybody to respond well. We, of course, as a church werecollecting things and where I'm at right now, I'm at Rayma cafe. Which is the Kaiserslauternmilitary resiliency center. And, and we, we serve the military here. Active duty and retired. So they became, what was reallycool is they have a relationship with the leadership on base ofwhich we as a church wouldn't. So Rayma became our gatewayto getting things on base.So we would bring it here to Raymaand they're picked, they pick it up. People on base, come over hereand pick it up and take it. And from what I understand, itwas three or four times a day. There were three or four vehicles a day. So, so imagine what would that be? That would be 3, 6, 9, 12, so 12vehicles each day coming, picking stuff up and loading it, not justone or two items, but literally. The vehicle to its extent, vans, cars,whatever, and then taking that on. They were receiving so many clothing, notjust from us, but from around the area. So much clothing and supplies. They didn't have enoughsorters to go through it. So they had to shut the, theamount of they just shut down the, the donations coming in. That doesn't mean they shutdown the donations, they just shut down it arriving.So, so they could catch upand not tax their people. We in turn also were connectedwith a sister church, which of course were assemblies of God. And so our, a sister assembliesof God church in Heidelberg, which is about an hour from hereheard about what was happening. And they called their church andtheir church responded and they drove up with a van full of stuffand we were able to deliver it. And then on top of that,we've had financial offerings.So we've had people giving donating. And what we're looking to do now iswhen the call comes out to either go purchase more items, and that could be. Stuffed toys. It could be hygiene items, which wealso have to be careful that we're culturally sensitive with that as well. You know for instance a Muslim man,isn't gonna want Axe body spray. So we, we have to be verycareful how we do that. And so we'll probably go out andpurchase those items and then make them all available for everyone. Well, and to your point too, beingrespectful of cultural differences, there are certain items of clothingthat are very normal for that, for us in Western culture that are not appropriate. Can you tell us a little bit about that? Yeah, interestingly enough, when,when you're talking about someone, whether whether they're Muslim ornot, but coming from Muslim countries there's, there's certain culturalthings that we're not used to.I had, I had a a missionary recentlytell me who has worked with this particular people group thatshared a story of an encounter. An interesting encounter where a, aA particular mother of sorry, father, daughter, we're going to write a city bus. I can't tell you what city it is in. And that's, doesn't matter, but it washere in Europe and they were going to ride the city bus and this Muslim man. Seeing this daughter now we're nottalking little girl, we're talking, you know, an older daughter andshe had almost sleeveless top on. And, and so this missionary told methat, that this Muslim man miss took her for a prostitute because theculture he came from, especially Afghany culture, the culture he came from. When a woman would wear either asuper short sleeve or no sleeve top, whether it's a dress ora sweater or what have you.Well, I don't think a sweaterwould be sleeveless, but still in that situation that communicates. She's a prostitute. So he walked up to this fatherdaughter and went to hand the man money because he was going to take thedaughter home and the guy got beat up. Sadly, he got beat up, but he waswondering why he got beat up because in his culture, that was just what you did.And so he was kind of shockedwhen he found that out. So. That's that's part of this stuff. We gotta, we gotta, itdoesn't mean they're broken. It doesn't mean they're upside downbecause sometimes we Americans seem to think that we have the perfect pictureof how everybody should be living. And, and, and we're not it justhelps us to be able to understand there are people out there that arejust a little different than us, and we need to be patient with that. We need to understand wherethey're coming from and not try and convert them too quickly. Hmm. Interesting. And then I would imagine when you'resorting through those clothes, what you would be offering to women who are comingfrom Afghanistan without offending them.Here's your tank top. Oh, sorry. That's probably not what youwould choose for yourself. That's really interesting as Isit here, you know, on a 90 degree day in Colorado, where, you know,athletic wear is very popular and you don't think anything of it. To your point about this man, likecoming from the culture that he was in, he wasn't doing anything out ofthe ordinary from where he came from by initiating that transaction now. So I know you're kind of reallyin the thick of it right now.But where do you see you and yourchurch family having the most impact with the, and I know you didn't callthem refugees, but what is the term that we're using evacuate, evacuate? Where do you feel your church can impactthese evacuations the most right now? Well, I wish we can impact them ona greater level to be honest, But with the limitations that we have,what we are endeavoring to do is just simply try to be for our people. A home, a place of rest. Because you know, again, you know,talking to some of our folks in our church, they are absolutely maxed out. And so whatever we can do to helpthem so they can continue the, continue the race, if you will is animportant part of what we want to do. We'll stay, we'll staydoing what we're doing. We'll be a hub for gathering itemsand getting them on base and doing everything we can to raise finances.Whatever's needed. But I can assure you if they open thedoor for us to go in there and physically get involved we would do it in a second,but for now until that happens, we're going to be happy just to do whateverwe can to help those on the frontline. Okay. And you know, we didn't talk aboutthis at the top of the discussion here, but the people that you're,that are in Ramstein are evacuees.Afghan descent primarily. Are you guys and your community,or are you receiving service men or are you receiving American? I would imagine they're probably onsome of those planes, but I can't tell you who, because they won'tbreak that down and give us numbers. And I think that's probably a goodidea because people can blow some of that stuff, the PR stuff way overboard.And so we're not, I don't know. And it could be, there could beinternationals, meaning, you know, folks from the Netherlands or Mexico or. Antarctica, you know, I don't know. But I, I think a good majority ofthem are, are refugees, refugees, evacuees that are Afghany. But yeah, as you know, KabulKabul was is a large, large city. And so there's universities there there's. All kinds of international workers. So who knows where they all belong andwhere they're trying to get home to. Okay. Yeah. I just, I know there's a, the questionon the table just in general is are we getting our Americans out of there? Well, I, I could share my opinion on that. And as you know, I'm not veryexcited with the recent news. This, I don't know where many of theviewers political stance are, and that's why I want to try and avoid that. But the reality is, as we've been letdown by this leader that we have, and, and I, I think it's safe to say that what.It, it wasn't done correctly. And as, as, as, as that being thecase there have been individuals who are Americans and we know it. I mean, you can look in the newsand you can see them, you know, they they're stories out there. You can, you can find themindividuals, whether it's one or many. That are now left outside the airportbecause they can't get to the airport. Something that many people don't knowthat the American news is not covering. What is, what has happened is, isthat the AF the, the Taliban now we're not talking about just the Taliban. Okay. So let's back up for a moment whenthe Taliban came in and, and start. Moving forward takingparts of the country. There were two major air force base. Well, not wait, let me back up. There were two majorairports near each other. One was Kabul where they're out now. And the other one's BagramBagram air force base was just a short distance from Qubole.It was a defensive position. It had. Three times the amount of flights everyday that Kaboul airport or Harvard cars, I airport handled on a daily basis. So in, in the president's plan toget everything out for some strange reason why I have no idea, but heclosed Bagram air force base at. Before he closed anybefore he closed couple. So what ended up happening is you hadour military going to an international airport that was not defensivelyset up and expected to hold it. So as Bagram fell at backroom,there was a prison in that. There was Al-Qaeda Taliban and ISIS. And so as they broke the Talibanouts, I don't know the exact. Story and how it unfolded. But what I heard is there wasinfighting taking place and a turf war, and now I sus is out.So they're out. So now the story is that not only hasthe Taliban surrounded the airport, but I see this is infiltrated that,and I'll Kyla has infiltrated that and they've created a multi-layered. Roadblock process. So if someone comes in to the airportto get to the airport, they've got to go through multiple checkpoints. And each checkpoint is, is thoroughlylooking them over and making sure that everything's square. And they're specifically lookingfor foreign workers, people who help the U S or any of the NATOcountries and then Americans. And so if they find them, whoknows what happens, so you can see the complexity of this, and now. These Americans, whereverthey are in the country. There's pockets of themthat are now stranded. I just heard yesterday thatthe yesterday day before. That the, either the British or theAmericans went out and rescued a hundred and some odd citizens fromsomewhere and you just go, why? I mean, this should have never happened. So now, now I'm getting into the politicalside, so I don't want to go there.No, and it is, so it is super touchybecause we do want to focus on God. But you had mentioned that there was adecision that came down about rescuing. Are Americans. I haven't heard that. So would you just state the factof what was given by our federal? Well, what was, what was onthe table in the original plan? Was, is that September 11th, 2022? No, 2021, sorry. September 11th, 2021. Was the end date for all theAmericans to be out of the country. And, and so the, when all of this,everything started collapsing. As it did in the last week, sincethis whole thing, when it's Kabul got surrounded and the wholething the president was asking if. If they could extend past August 31st. So now we know the September11th date is a wash it's out. It's not going to happen now becauseof where we are at this moment.So he asked if the evacuation timeline canbe extended past October, our August 31st. And so he was in negotiations, Iguess, with the and with Taliban. And basically the Taliban said. If you go past August 31st,we're going to end up in a fight. And so the decision I saw tonight ona European station, I didn't check the others, but the European stationsaid that Biden has, has basically said that they will not extendthe deadline passed August 31st.And so that, that means that if theseindividuals can't get to the airport by August 31st, they're not going. So there, we've already heard thatthere's ISIS Al Qaeda, Taliban who have set up checkpoints around the airport,prohibiting pro-American pro Afghan. Anybody that's helped any NATO and. Individual American citizens areexpected to fight their way through or sneak their way through thesecheckpoints to get to the airport on their own with no escort servicesfrom our government or our military. And it's just a, if you can getthere, great, we'll get you out. Otherwise. Good luck. You're on your own. And you're stranded in a foreign country. Yeah, basically. Wow. Yeah. I, I've never, I've never in my life. If my, if my father was alivetoday, of course, he's a 27 year army veteran special forces.If he was alive today, he would. He would be livid because that isnot something that when you're in the military, you do, you never, everleave anyone behind, even if they're dead, you don't leave them behind. And, and so you bring them home and itis, it is absolutely I'm astonished. I am absolutely astonished that we wouldeven be having this discussion, even if for one American doesn't make any sense. So, yes, my heart is breaking. I for so many reasons, but if we bringthis around to our father, our God, our Lord, and just to Kind of takethe jumping off point of how you were a contributor in the, oh my God isawesome membership, which specifically looks at the characteristics, theattributes, the, the personhood of God.You chose to talk about threethings that I think are really important in this conversation. So one of them was from Psalm23, verse one or shepherd. God is described in Psalm nine, versenine as a stronghold in time of trouble. And in Psalm 18 verse one,God is described as the rock in whom I take refuge. Yeah, very appropriate,very appropriate and timely. And you selected these particularverses to share about who God is. Well, before this was happening,but here we are today let me back up and take that just for a second. I want to want to bring that full circleback to where I'm at as a missionary. you know, with your content in hand andtalking about the situation in Afghanistan and how that's spilling over to otherparts of the world, as people are fleeing. Can you describe how thatis a refuge for people? Wow. Well, let me, let me Thinking aboutright now with the present news. If the president's not presidentprecedents, if the precedents has now been established that andone single American life isn't worth the expense as a missionary.In a foreign country. Now, granted Germany is a first worldcountry and many of the laws here are, are substantial and trustworthy. And so they take care of their people. And we don't fear. We don't fear here at all, butwhat if tomorrow the German government collapses and we're here. What does my wife and my 16 year olddaughter and myself, what do we do if we know that our government won't get us out. So traditionally in the old times, holdtimes now I'm starting to sound like it was a long time ago, but traditionally. If something chaotic happened herewhere American lives were threatened, the first thing the Americans aretaught or told to do is grab your passport and high tail it to theembassy, Hightail it to any government institution that has an American presence,but mainly your consulate or the. Once you get to the embassy,you get to the consulate. Then as an American citizen,you're on American soil. That, that embassy is considereda part of the United States. And so you're safe and you're goingto be okay until they can get you out.Well, now with this news, all ofa sudden we're like, okay, then we don't mean anything anymore. Now tax-paying voting citizendoesn't mean anything anymore. So. Jesus being my rock, being myshepherd, being my stronghold mean, well, it's going to mean, okay. When the rubber hits the road and wefind ourselves in the same situation as these Americans in Afghanistan,all I'm going to have is my phone. Maybe a little bit of the YouTube trainingthat I picked up from here and there. But the reality is I am going to beutterly dependent upon those who are around me, but if we're by ourselves,utterly dependent upon my faith and God getting us out of that situation. And I have to, as a missionary beokay with, if God doesn't rescue. The way, I think he will rescueme and say, he allows my life to go the way of a martyr. Then I need to be okay with that. I needed to be okay with thatwhen we signed the papers to come over as missionaries. And so that had to besomething we were ready to do.And that's what it's all about. So for me particularly it just tells meit, my faith has got to be strong, so I'm hoping, I'm hoping that's going tobe the case for those who are watching or watching us and listening to us today,I'm hoping that they will Most of us start are really, really comfortable. We are, I just sat with one tonight. He's been over here for 30 years and. You know, we, we are, I, when Isay comfortable, I don't mean we're easy and we're taking a vacation. I'm just saying we don't feel threatened. We don't feel Be able to make thesame decision because when it, when it comes down to it, that'sall that matters is your faith. And I've got to believe that he's my rock. I've got to believe that he's my shepherd. I've got to believe thathe's my safe refuge. as a missionary. I'm, I'm making a guess.Do you feel like you're partof a community of missionaries, even though you serve differentorganizations and what is the. Shatter and the, the feeling and thesense that is happening within that specific community of missionariesChristian missionaries, American Christian missionaries overseas right now. we don't feel anxious. If anything, I think we feelsuper anxious regarding what's happening in the United States. From this vantage pointfrom across the pond. I mean, it seems like the United Statesis coming apart at the seams and we don't. It's crazy. At least that's what the news portrays. That doesn't mean it is, itjust, it's what we see or hear. But overall I think all of mycolleagues here and we're talking about Presbyterians, Baptists,Lutherans, Catholics, chaplains assemblies of God, all kinds ofdenominations and backgrounds. I think overall, we all feel that,you know, we're getting close. To Jesus's return. There, there is something inthe air that's taking place and, and we need to it's time.It's time to start helping peopleunderstand what their faith is all about and bringing them back. Bringing them back to the center. In fact, this Sunday, we're startinga series on, on 16 fundamental truths found in scripture. And we're starting a series andit's my hope that our people will be able to grab ahold of theseand, and know why they belong. Yes. Knowing, not just believing, butwhy you believe what you believe. And so I would love, are you ableto promote that so that people who are watching this recordingare able to maybe plug into your sermon series that's coming in? How can they find you? You betcha we're on Facebook right now. We're on, we're on two different planets. Facebook obviously, andthen we're on But the name of our church is true life. K MC that's important for the KMCin there because that stands for Kaiserslautern military re sorry,almost said resiliency center, Kaiser Kaiserslautern, military community.So make sure you put in true life camp. And so we're on Facebookand it's an open, open page. So that just allows everybodyto be able to view it. And then of course,like I said, Same thing you can view us. And so as a pastor, what suggestionsor advice would you give to people who are not strongly rooted in their faithwho have fallen away for the front, from their faith and, or are feelingcompelled to now seek out, you know, Jesus or God, because things are so crazyand they just don't know where to turn. What's kind of baby steps. Would you suggest. Hmm. Wow. That's a good one. That's a good one. You know, I think it's safe to say thatgoing to your word, you know, the Bible, whatever, whatever that looks like. You know, if you, if you're a kingJames person or an NIV person or whatever going back to the word ofGod is, is gotta be principally. One of the most importantthings you can do. Because in the word is where we find our.We know that scripture tellsus that faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God. That doesn't mean wenecessarily put our ear to it. You can listen to it. It's not a problem, but the hearingthere has everything to do with your heart, responding to the truth of God. So getting back into your word and. Honestly, you know, the word'skind of hard to read sometimes. And that's okay. But the cool part about it is we findout in Timothy that it says that the word of God is active and alive andsharper than any two-edged sword. And it's meant to examine us. It's meant to challenge us. It's meant to expose sand it's meantto expose bad character so that we can bring it all back to God.So I would say, get back in your Bible. And I would start, I wouldstart in a book like John. Or a book like Romans Iwouldn't build a Leviticus. Leviticus is nice, but it's notfor your Sunday afternoon reading. Cause it's pretty detailed andit gets into a lot of stuff that you probably were like, huh? Where does that come from? So get in, if you want to findout about Jesus, start in John, start in Romans start mark or Luke. And that'll give you a referencepoint now on top of it. I would do what the disciples did and,and they came to Jesus and they said, Hey, you know, we, don't not to pray. Can you teach us how to pray? And Jesus used a verysimple formula, very simple. He said, this is how you should pray. And now we know it as the Lord's prayer. The Lord's prayer really gives us.It's fascinating. You can, you can repeat it. You can memorize it andrepeat it if you want to. But the way I, I use itis, is it's a outline. So when it starts off with our fatherwho art in heaven, hallowed be thy name. Okay. I have to stop there and I needto think about how exalted is God. How amazing is he? Have I paid him any attention? Have I given notice to anythinggreat that he's done in my life? Have I given him praise for whathe's, what he's accomplished? That's what you're talkingabout is our father. Who's in heaven, man. Look how amazing he is. So then he goes our father who artin heaven, hallowed be thy name. Then it says my kingdom come andI will be done on earth as it already has been done in heaven.So Lord, let your kingdom comeand let your will not mine. Your will be done righthere in this world. My world, me, my heart, my mind asit already has been done in heaven. And then of course it goes on and giveus our bread and give us our data. Yeah. And so, as it breaks down, I take it. And then I just use that as an outline. And it helps me to have a focus formy prayer, helps me to have targets of subject matter that I can bring to him.And especially when you get to theend, forgive us, our trespasses. Yeah. So can you continue just to breakthat down section by section for us? Cause I feel like you've set that up. So, so nicely. I know. And I've heard that before to use it as anoutline, but I haven't done that myself. So thank you for kicking us offand if you can come so they will be done on earth as it is in heaven. Yep. We're working in our ownselves, working in our minds and then give us our daily bread. Yep. Give us our daily bread and thenforgive us of our trespasses. So daily bread doesn't necessarily,it means meeting my needs in tangibly, but also spiritually, mentally. Yes, I am dependent uponyou to change my mind. I'm dependent upon you to change my heart.On you to supply my needs. I'm dependent upon you totake care of my family. Lord, I'm just putting all these needsto you because it's him that gives, you know, too many times we can get caughtup in the things we've got to pursue. And we forget about the normal things thatwe really need that help us in our faith. So give us our, our, our bread, ourdaily bread, forgive us our trespasses. That's another key one. The beginning of bitterness. The beginning of hatredstarts with an offense. So there's a progression. I get a fan. And then when that offenseis allowed to sit in my life and grow, it becomes a wound.It becomes it becomes aplace of bitterness and hurt. And then eventually it turns intowhat we refer to as hatred and hatred in its, in its core is, isliterally when you look at someone, you're hoping that where they are. The space, they occupyturns into a black hole. So you're hoping that they'renon-existent, they just disappear that you don't want them in your life. That's where that's where hatred comes. So people don't naturally get up inthe morning and go, oh, you know what? I hate that person. No, that's not how. We had to be offended somewhere. So when we're talking aboutforgiving our trespasses, okay. So Lord, forgive my trespass usfirst, and then forgive those who have trespassed against me that this is animportant thing, because Jesus talks about you and you're walking around.We used to have a skit. We do, and we are not. And in youth group, we'd have a guythat would come out and he'd have this papier-mache log hanging out of his face. And then he would go over andtalk to the guy who had a tiny, tiny, tiny little piece of atoothpick right here on his thigh. And so he would tell him aboutall his problems, you know, you're lifted up and he never saw thething coming out of his face. What was the point too many times,we're pointing fingers at people and we're upset by what they do. And we don't even pay anyattention to what we're doing. And so we get upset when someone hurts us. But how many times have we heard that? So it's very important for us tomake sure that we're having our trespasses forgiven and that thosewho have trespassed against us.And I love that word trespass becauseit is, it is so it's so blatant. It's so Outfront. We don't use it in our wordagetoday, obviously, but when you and I come to a fence of property,That a person owns on their fence. It says no trespassing. That means when I cross over thatfence, I have crossed over into that person's public and not publicprivate life, their personal space. I have invaded somewhere thatI shouldn't have a invade. So when I trespass against somebody.I've come into their world andhave done something that hurt them. So that's how we do that. We got to forgive, we got to forgive. And let me just throw this outthere since everybody's watching. And I, hopefully this doesn't taketoo long but longer forgiveness is, is connected to emotion. And, and we have to understandthat it's also connected to faith. So when we forgive someone, we maynot feel like we have forgiven.That's okay. Continue to forgive them until. You're not forgiving them anymore. And I know that soundsstrange, but I put it this way. It, it, it, it gets, it comes to theplace where I have to lay this thing down at Jesus's feet and I keep layingit down until it becomes harder for me to pick it up than it was to lay it. And so, you know, you may,someone may have hurt you. They may have, you know, raped yourdaughter, God forbid, or stole your car or slapped you in the face or robbed you of,of a few hundred dollars or what have you. It doesn't matter what it is. And you say, Jesus, I forgivethem, but inside you're raging. And you're like, wait, they shouldn'tbe able to get away with this.Jesus. I forgive them. Jesus. I forgive them. Jesus. I forgive me. You keep going there and you keep goingthere and to keep going there until. What happens is you start becomingcompassionate with that person. And all of a sudden the next thingyou know, you're lifting them up, asking for God to move intheir life and to bless them and forgive them that that's powerful.That's powerful. So, you know, and, and listen,there's never a degree on sin. Sin is sin is sin is sin and, andyet wounds can have differing levels. And we know. I knew a young lady who hadbeen molested by loved by an uncle or something like that. I can't remember for sure, but,you know, I told her, I said, you know, imagine, you know, what,what you went through was hard. That was hard. And it was not fair. And yeah, he deservesto be string strung up. If I was left to myself anddidn't have Jesus in my life. Yeah. You know, that's probablywhere we need to go. But the reality is, is if you don'tforgive this person, you will carry that. And what will happen is you'll endup becoming a sore spot to someone.Yeah. And you'll never be free. You'll be a prisoner of that thing. It doesn't mean you forget it. It doesn't mean you let it go. Doesn't mean you don'ttrust people anymore. Now I'm not saying that. I'm just saying you let that person whohurt you go because all you're going to do is carry around that weight and it. Well, no, I real quick. I just, I have a thought too. I've heard, you know, the phrase thathanging on to unforgiveness is like taking swallowing a poison pill andexpecting the other person to die. It will eventually kill you. But yes. So yes, let's keep walkingthrough the Lord's prayer. So. And forgive us, our trespasses as thosewho trespass against us and lead us.Not into temptation. Yes. There you go. There you go. Lead us, not into temptation. This is an important one. God, isn't the one who leads us there. God, doesn't take you by the hand go. Ooh, let's go to temptation. Yeah, he doesn't do that. The enemy. The, the perspective there, or thepurpose of that particular phrase is Lord, let me not be led into temptation. So Lord, I'm asking youhelp me to avoid temptation. And men temptation happens to everybodyI've been in ministry for over 30 years. I, I, I still, I toldour church on Sunday. I said, look, I still have. I still have the ideas. I still have the crazy thingsthat come to mind, but it depends on whether you act on it or not. The book of James tells us that whenyou're tempted, you see you, you sin you sin when you act on the thought.So the thought comes. That's the, where the temptation lies andthen you act on it when you act on it. That gives birth to sin. Then sin, if left uncheckedgive, gives birth to death. So the death can be both physical,spiritual, but it also could be emotional. So we need to understand thatjust because the thought comes in doesn't mean, you're saying. It's when you step outand act on that thought. So for a man, if it's a, if it's a atemptation for lust and, and sadly, I don't know why God designed this this way,but for men we're visually stimulated. That's what I've saidin whatever I've done. Marriage, whenever I've donepremarital counseling, I tell the woman, I tell the man.All you have to do. Wife is walk in the door. You could walk in the door and overalls. You could walk in thedoor and the trash bag. You could walk in the door on your head. You can walk in the door backwards. You could walk in the door with oneeye whatever, but you come in the door. All that man has to do is see you. Ready to go now for you. On the other hand, you're like an oldworld war two air raid siren, and you got a wind and wind it in and the man has tospend all day long just to get you ready. And then once you're ready,you can't turn it off. But for him it's on, off, on,off, on, off all day long. So he has to constantly be awarewhen he comes into any situation, how dangerous a thought is, just howquick it happens and to not act on it. So ladies don't get surprised. If your husband struggles with that,but you got to just, you got to pray for him and you've got to givehim a reason to come home at night.That's a big, big, big, big thing. So that's important. So we'll leave that there before we getoff on tans itself and deliver us for me. Yes, deliver us from evil. That's it comes right back to Ellis. Same thing, Lord, just, just help me tobe aware, help me to be aware to not not do things that don't please you becausethe root word, the Greek and the Hebrew. Evil is the absence of God,God keep me from doing anything where you're not there.Help me to always do everything. Whether it's a thought or an action ora voicing something, or what have you helped me to do stuff where you are alwayspleased and you are always present because when I do stuff, then you're not there. That gets me in trouble. And so what. And four nine is the kingdom,the power and the glory forever. Yeah, there you go. There you go. That's what, a way to end. So you, and the way you started,you're giving him all the glory. You're giving him all the praise. You're giving him all the attentionbecause that's where he is. That's where he lives.And so that just helps us to keepour center in him and not ours. Well, and I think I love thank youfor outlining that with examples, because what we do then is takethat roadmap of the Lord's prayer. Which many of us, I mean, myselfincluded, not growing up in the church, but I learned the Lord'sprayer in my private school. We set it every day. And so it's just, it's beeningrained in my head, but using that as a roadmap, inserting our own. Items and things from our livesto glorify God, to improve our relationships with others andimprove our relationship with him. And then again, turn back,turn that back to him. So I hope that people will take some noteson that and implement that for themselves. So yeah. So Paul is, we are wrapping up here. I wanted to say thankyou for Just sharing.What's happening in yourlife, in your ministry? In Germany, at the military base withthe evacuees and of course, pointing out to God or pointing out to uswhere God is at work in all of this. So I just wanted to offer you theopportunity for any final thoughts or any requests that you have forpeople who are watching or listening. The only thing I can really say. Don't quit. You know, I use this reference,I'm a baseball fan, babe. Ruth hit 70 home runs one ofthe first ones to ever do it. In fact, he was the firstone to do it, I believe. But he did it while alsohaving 700 strikeouts. And we only fail when we. And I look at Hebrews and Hebrews 11 talksabout faith that Hebrews 12 says, let us run the race that's marked out for us.Jesus never asked you torun at a certain speed. And he never asked you to doanything more than just be faithful. And sometimes faithfulnessis not quitting. It's not being perfect. It's just not quitting. So every time you think that God'sabandoned you every time you feel like you want to give up, don't give upbecause God hasn't given up on you. He's your biggest fan. And I'll end with this.Why in the world? Would God give up on you after payingfor you with such a high, high price? I know one thing for me, if I evermake a purchase that costs me one of my children, whatever it isthat I bought, I'm definitely not going to give up on very easily. So just imagine that God does not goingto give up on you because he gave a son. Yeah. Amen. Wow. That's really powerful. Well, thank you again, Paul. And I appreciate everyonethat tuned in for this kind of special episode interview..

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